Recording Rescue Kubbs in Planet Kubb Notation

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asked Aug 13, 2012 by thingles Kubblic ❚ (6,110 points)
edited Aug 13, 2012 by thingles

In an earlier discussion on the notation Dobbie had asked if we needed special notation to handle a rescue kubb in the game. Just today Chris Hodges scored the Kubb Open 2012 Finals matches and games 1 and 2 of those matches have rescue kubbs. Both of these games throw an error in the current wiki rules because the rescue isn't being handled in the game state calculations.

I had previously suggested that a rescue should be handled as a rethrow and now that I see it I think that is probably wrong. The rescued kubb itself is allowed a rethrow and counting the first throw of a rescued kubb as a rethrow is wrong. I started thinking we may need a new notation for rescuing a kubb but as I thought about it it struck me that it is just a field kubb and we have a notation for that already, F.

With that thought, it strikes me that a rescue is really just a field hit on the kubb tossing phase. So, if a team had one kubb on the field and they rescued it the Inkastare would be recorded as "F2I". The F indicates the field hit. The 2I show the initial kubb throw and the rescued Kubb throw. Typically in a resuce both the rescued kubb and the kubb thrown should go out of bounds, so "F2IR" would show that rethrow on the original kubb right.

Order of the notation isn't critical but can matter. For example, rethrows should not be recorded before the kubbs thrown in, "3R8I" is not allowed for notation. So, the field hit for a rescue might matter. The notation is fine for this since numbers are actually optional. "3IR" and "IIIR" are considered the same. The number is simply a shorthand.

Given that ordering the rescue operation would look like "IFIR" for kubb thrown, field hit, kubb thrown, rethrow of first kubb.

With that all stated, I want to look at the specific example in qeustion, the Kubb'Ings v. Fortschritt99 game at 44:40 has the example. There is one Kubb rescued. Using the above solution the notation would be "IF8I3R". This properly shows 9 kubbs thrown (I + 8I) and that three kubbs were rethrown, which is exactly right. I think "F9I3R" would also be fine notation, just slightly less accurate.

I would love to hear any feedback on this. It feels right to me, and I really like that it doesn't create a new notation symbol, just reusing the existing field kubb one in the kubb throwing phase.

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answered Aug 13, 2012 by thingles Kubblic ❚ (6,110 points)
selected Aug 15, 2012 by thingles
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There is actually a strong argument against using an F for this and that is that the rescued Kubb must be knocked out of bounds to succesfully be rescued. If it isn't it is simply placed upright again in the new location. This condition makes me lean over to a special notation. The action is unique enough (sort of like Q) that it likely deserves something specific. 

What letter would make sense? R is taken for rethrow. S and C are available and phonetically work. I'm leaning to a C.

The scenario above would then be "IC8I3R". 

It would be pretty straightforward to handle this notation in the game system and accurately reflect game state and stats. 

commented Aug 14, 2012 by thingles Kubblic ❚ (6,110 points)
I keep thinking that Q is the right key for a rescue kubb (phonetic works well). That would mean moving Illegal King Hit from Q to something else, but that is probably fine. The existing Q notation has never been used and I expect it will be even rarer than a rescue kubb is.
commented Aug 14, 2012 by garrickvanburen Kubblic ❚ (7,330 points)
My recommendation:
 Q: rescued kubb
 !: illegal king hit
commented Aug 15, 2012 by thingles Kubblic ❚ (6,110 points)
I agree on the Q, but I'm going to avoid the ! for being problematic in regular expressions and other technical uses. :-)
commented Aug 15, 2012 by garrickvanburen Kubblic ❚ (7,330 points)
then my vote it for '?'
the difference is:
'were you thinking!'
'were you thinking?'
commented Aug 15, 2012 by thingles Kubblic ❚ (6,110 points)
Right, because "?" is even less meaningful in a regular expression pattern. :-)

I considered W for "WTF?". :-) But W is too easily thought of as Win. I like L for "Lose", but lowercase L and uppercase I are too similar.

E might work well. Not in use, "error" is an easy mnemonic.
commented Aug 15, 2012 by garrickvanburen Kubblic ❚ (7,330 points)
the game is over after this point - prematurely or otherwise. The only difference between an illegal king shot and a legal on is who the winner is. In the case of the illegal king shot - the winner is always the other team. Since we have gestures in both the printable scoresheet and the game entry form for indicating winning team - perhaps we drop the illegal king hit specific notation. A king hit is a king hit - and the humiliation for committing an illegal one is in the loss. Perhaps the notation shouldn't compound it.